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[Westside7th]

People don't travel to parks in their

'range'. I live in Michigan and tons of people go to Florida for the parks

own there. Or are you trying to say that Florida is in the 'range' of

Michigan citizens?
If people don't go to parks out of their

'range' then I guess this new coaster won't have a big draw since it

will only attract people from the 'range' of the park.

[CostaKid]

WDW is a world wide park. Same as Disneyland.

People from all over know of them and visit them. Also, when people plan vacations to

a popular spot, they tend to find the parks there. Vacations are definatly different.

People round here go to Florida, but still don't know much. They refer to Dr.

Doom's Freefall as Doom Drop. Most people in my area refer to SFMM as

simply SF. They don't even know there are other SF's. So range has a lot

to do with it, except when the widely known parks and vacations.

[jumpboy]

CP isn't like disney but most people in my

school hear in Maryland know about it...

[NitroRyder33]

I can tell you right now the lines WILL NOT be 8

hours..idiot

CC

[Tyrant]

Wayyyyy off topic here, but I just thought I would pop

in and reiterate that SFSTL statement I made eariler. Yesterday my supervisor called

me up and told me that several ride ops had told him, that Mike (the head of ride

operations) had told them that they would be the leads for "the new superman

coaster next year".

Wanna start any speculation on that?



-Tyrant

[Westside7th]

I idd not say Disney World specifically, I said that

people go to parks in Florida. And if people go out of their 'range' for

world wide parks, I don't think they will go to ride this new coaster because the

park isn't a 'world wide park'. Therefore, no one will go out of their

range to ride this ride because they only know of the Six Flags park in their

'range' and have never heard of any others. Plus, record breakers are not

advertised nation wide. Only Enthusiasts hear about them so it isn't like this will

draw crowds from otehr 'ranges' anyway.

(I know how stupid

this all sounds but I just love finding holes in your argument )

[MillenniumMan310]

Once again i feel the same way Westside. I think gadv

would be much better spendind 10 to 15 mil on a good, more unique rocket coaster

instead of spending 25+ mil on a taller rip off of ttd. They both would get th same

publicity, and one is cheaper than the other. Even most entusiests wont want to ride

this ride as much as ttd simply because its not as revolutionary as ttd was. Its like

when SD2000 beat MF, It might of been the tallest coaster but it wasnt as big a deal

as MF because MF already took the big step in braking 300ft. But as all your facts

are true, it doesnt look like gadv is thinking the same things as you....

[Westside7th]

Exactly, Steel Dragon was just a giant version of Steel

Force/Magnum/Wild Thing/Mamba, etc. Millennium Force had totally new concepts

and elements. Less people are going to come ride this than TTD because there is

nothing special about it.

[CostaKid]

Ok, I never said that people would go out of their way

from other parts of the country to ride this ride, nor did I say that it would be better to

build it taller rather than unique. Besides, the ride length is shorter than TTD, so it

would be interesting for it to be taller. What I have been trying to say is that they will

get a ton of people, as much as TTD because of three reasons: GP eat up world

records, GP don't know of TTD even if they do (which you have been arguing)

than they will still want to ride the tallest coaster in the world, and finaly Enthusiasts

will want to claim that they rode the tallest coaster in the world. As for there being

nothing special about it, think: WORLD RECORD. Of course it will be special.

My ultimate point is that anything that breaks the world record, will draw huge

crowds and will be special, no matter what.

[Stealthy350Z]

I have a question for every single one of you in this

argument. If I am a member of the GP that lives 5 hours from both CP and SFGADV,

I have been to both parks once, and had a choice to go to one again. Would I choose

SFGADV which has a coaster that looks exactly like TTD (To the GP it will), but they

had a horrible experience at SFGADV due to poor ride ops, the park being dirty, gum

everywhere, etc., or would they want to go to CP the park with 16 roller coasters,

'The greatest roller coaster in the world' (according to amusement today),

a clean friendly park, with resorts on site.

I am sorry, SF is making a huge

mistake putting this in SFGADV. It is way to close to TTD, and SFGADV

doesn't even compare to CP.

Most of the people that I know, know

about TTD and CP, but not from me, but from other people visiting the park and

having an overall good experience. As for you guys thinking Intamin has perfected

their launch they haven't. SR experiences a lot of downtime, and it seems to be

getting worse as the year goes on. SFGADV does not have the staff to take care of

this ride, and the rest of the park. Their will be many people coming from SFGADV

dissapointed, not from the ride breaking down, but from the overall experience of the

park. SF needs to get their head out of their butt and relize that they need to start

taking a look at guest relations instead of packing 15 roller coasters in all of their

parks.

[Dakanektr]

that was... *sniff*

so... *sniff* beautiful . unlike their park. six flags

is the pimp of parks, looks attractive good coasters but the second you get deeper in

the park (drop the pimp analogy RIGHT NOW YOU PERVES) you notice that its a

dump.........

[CostaKid]

About them installing it too close to TTD, your

correct. It would have worked better in another park farther away but, this is not

about SF being dirty. Peeps 'round here love one day @ SFMM more than 3

days @ DLR & Knott's. The GP can stand the uncleanliness. Despite

eveything y'all are sayin (some stuff havin' good arguments), a record

breaker like this WILL BRING IN GUESTS. Some guests will still go to CP, but the

majority will want to try the new coaster.

I personaly don't think this

will break the record, but rather a new design that is more than: Launch, Tophat,

Breaks.

[Westside7th]

CostaKid, if most GP don't know about TTD as

you stated, than how will people find out about this 'record breaker' if they

never found out about TTD when it broke the records? How can you say that the GP

don't care about cleanliness? I hate it how people like you think you can

generalize and say that the GP thinks this and that when there is no such thing as

GP! Some people know lots about coasters and others don't know that

much but everyone is different and you can't generalize. If Disney Parks were

dirty and trashed would people say, "I don't care, I just want the

rides!"...No! Maybe some would say that but many people do care

and other may not but you cannot generalize and say that the GP does this.

[CostaKid]

You love to twist my words don't you. Not

ONCE did I "state" that people didn't know about TTD. The GP

within the area (to which I have been refering to the whole time) will know because

they know what is goin' into their home parks and because SF will advertise this

thing to death.

Once again, you twist my words. I never said the GP

don't care about cleanliness, I said they could STAND it. And, you cannot

compare Disney and SF. Disney relies on ambiance, family atmosphere, and

cleanliness to bring in guests, while SF relies soley on thrills, which is why the GP can

STAND it.

Maybe you don't want to catagorize them as the

"GP" but that is what they are, the "General Public". I am

catogorizing the "GP" as those who aren't informed about coasters.

You don't have to catagorize them as that, and that is ok, but respect my right to

call them what ever the h-e-double hockey sticks I want.

One more thing,

you give the GP WAY too much credit. These are the people who get X & Deja

Vu confused. These are the people who ask if Top Thrill Dragster's fake smoke

is real and these are the people who answer: Yes, the wheels spin so fast it makes

smoke. These are the people who call ALL inversions Loop-de-loops or corkscrews.

These are people who don't know jack about coasters, but pretend they do

anyway.

Geese, I think I just popped a vein...

[Dakanektr]

wow. well i think

that was what this topic needed- making fun of those who as costakid said, cocky,

know it nothing general public. yes i understand that ALL of the things CK said are

true, its just that you shouldnt make fun of those people, for 20%(watev) of our

population or more have GP for Parents, i was just quizzzing my dad on what the

transfer tracks were called and he said "lift hill". im not saying your

wrong, its just that most of who we know are gp-and get a bandaid costakid

[Westside7th]

[quote]Originally posted by CostaKid@Aug 29 2004, 12:34

AM
[b]One more thing, you give the

GP WAY too much credit. These are the people who get X & Deja Vu

confused. These are the people who ask if Top Thrill Dragster's fake smoke is

real and these are the people who answer: Yes, the wheels spin so fast it makes

smoke. These are the people who call ALL inversions Loop-de-loops or corkscrews.

These are people who don't know jack about coasters, but pretend they do

anyway.

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This is what I mean. Just because you hear people talking

about stupid things people say in line and how some people call inversions

loop-de-loops you assume that everyone is like that. And now you are saying that

people only go to SF for thrills, then why is there sections devoted to kids if the GP

only goes there fopr thrills? I highly doubt that SF relies soley on thrills to attract

customers or maybe they do and that is why they are losing money. It is a well known

fact that families spend a lot more money in parks than thrill seekers do so I really

doubt your statement that SF relies on thrills for customers. Once again, you are

generalizing by making it seem like all the GP are retarded people. Maybe the people

in your 'range' are just retarded 'GP'

[CostaKid]

SFMM relies on thrills because there is no way they

can compete with DLR. It just doesn't happen. Maybe other SF don't but

MM does.

When it comes to theme parks, the GP is

"retarded" as you so eliquently put it. Like I said before you give the GP

WAY too much credit.

That being said, we can stop arguing about the GP

issue because we obviously won't sway each other. So, lets agree to dissagree.