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[Maxlaam]

At school we had to pick a controversial subject and discuss about it, I chose abortion. Apparently the views on Abortion on this website are very spread out. I thought getting some information here would be a good idea to prepare myself for the discussion. This includes answering 2 questions and giving your personal opinion.

So before anyone gets involved in this I'd like to point out a few rules here.

- Follow the general forums rules
- No bashing, No Arguments
- To each his own opinion
- Try not to change the subject
- Be honest, as the results will actually be used

The following questions I'd like to have your answer/opinion on.


- Abortion should be available to everyone, even if their religious views do not believe so or if they do not have the money to pay for the treatment.

- Abortion is a humane solution to end an unwanted or life-threatening (teenage)pregnancy.


I'd be very thankful if you share your views on the subject.
Good luck.

[lazor 22]

I personally think that the ONLY time a abortion should be permitted is when a teenage girl is raped. If it is immature teenage sex or a couple decides they don't want the baby, then they can deal with it or put them up for adoption if it is the latter.

To answer your questions,
1. Yes, but ONLY under the one circumstance.
2. No, I disagree. There is no humane way to kill a innocent person (fully developed or not). If they choose to screw thier life, it's there fault.

[Old_Hag]

^why only when a teenage girl is raped? Age shouldn't make a difference in the case of a rape.

[BGTKing]

Please answer the questions asked, not debate someone's answer.

[Cedars650258516]

1. I'm Catholic Christian, and as a church, we believe abortion is a wrong act against the sixth comandment [Thou shall not kill or murder]. I personally believe that whatever you choose right or wrong, even if it be a new life, should be taken into your own hands respectfully.

2.It is the only way to take a child into God's hands if the parent is not yet ready to take a child. Abortion is a powerful tool and should be the last resort if a parent does not want to be a parent quite yet.

This is my opinion, thank you for giving me the time to share it.
-Cedars650258516

[DDRman732865]

I am Christian, but I respect other religions. If someone is atheist, then I respect that. If someone wishes to get an abortion, I see harm in doing so, but I believe it is up to the person getting the abortion.

I believe abortion is only okay in cases of rape, incest, and if it would kill a mother. Teens, who are not going to start giving up sex any time soon, really need to take precaution. Condoms, birth control and morning after pill come in mind here. If teens are irresponsible, then they need to face the consequence.

[Jogumpie]

and if it would kill a mother

If it would kill a mother..?

[DDRman732865]

^The pregnancy, not the abortion.

[RCT2123]

I dislike the thought of abortion, but I believe it is a necessary part of our society. The truth is people make mistakes. Everyone has made a really stupid decision in their life before. Abortion is a plan B for the pregnancy mistakes. Sure a "baby" is "killed" but the aborted child would certainly be at greater risk of a corrupt life if it was raised by a teenager or someone who has no business raising a child...

I personally do not consider the aborted baby a baby at all though. I think it is a bunch of cells that one day could be a baby. The cells also go to stem cell research. It's like recycling...

-RCT2123

[RightWayTrey]

My opinion is that abortion equals murder. A human being is a human being, whether they are fully developed or not. Murdering a human being that is not fully developed is the same as murdering a human being who is fully developed.

Now since I believe abortion equals murder, this is how I would read the statements in the first post:

- Murder should be available to everyone, even if their religious views do not believe so or if they do not have the money to pay for the treatment.

- Murder is a humane solution to end an unwanted or life-threatening (teenage)pregnancy.

[coastergeekrtc]

I believe murder and abortion should be legal in certain cases. Like if I impregnate my whore of an ex and don't want to share a child with her. In this case I can "kill two birds with one stone"...murder the ex and the baby will be aborted. Win win.

[The KNex Weasel]

Lovely timing, my philosophy class finishes discussing abortion tomorrow.

My thorough stance on abortion:
I remember posting this once before, but I'll post it again, and it is part of my justification for what it would be like if abortion were illegal:

It's comparative to being tied to the floor next to a guy who is recovering from snake bites. Since there are so many bites, the guy is in critical condition, and they chose to use you as the person who would absorb all that poison--thus, they stick a tube into you and the poison flows from the other person into you. They say you can't escape, because this person is a popular baseball player who needs to recover so he can hit his 500th home run this year. As a result, you lie there for nine months while the poison drains out of the baseball player into your body.

It's a comparison to a 14-year-old girl (or a 35-year-old woman--take your pick) getting raped; it would be painful, inconvenient, and would last nine months. Knowing I wouldn't want that if I were a girl, and certainly many girls I know wouldn't want that either, that is my main justification.

The thing that's wrong with putting a child up for adoption is that it could be adopted into a homeless family and live a very poor life. And here's something for you diehard-religious folk to think about: would it be better if someone could spend all eternity in heaven, or if they had to spend part of it on earth dealing with all the crap going on? You see, if the baby gets an abortion, it's innocent, it did no wrong, it can just reside forever in heaven.

It's not invalid to say you're killing someone when you get an abortion, but it's probably infinitely easier to die without pain in a mother's womb than to be sent to a foster home without any real parents to look after you. And let's face it; unless it's the final trimester of a pregnancy, the baby's probably not going to know the difference anyway. EDIT: Oh, and did I mention it could die of all kinds of causes in the foster home?

I don't believe one should get an abortion if it's just clueless sex that started the issue, but outlawing abortion altogether...my answer to that would be a definite no.

[Jogumpie]

My opinion is that abortion equals murder. A human being is a human being, whether they are fully developed or not. Murdering a human being that is not fully developed is the same as murdering a human being who is fully developed.

Now since I believe abortion equals murder, this is how I would read the statements in the first post:

- Murder should be available to everyone, even if their religious views do not believe so or if they do not have the money to pay for the treatment.

- Murder is a humane solution to end an unwanted or life-threatening (teenage)pregnancy.

Your post makes me think of euthanasia. Both that and abortion are things I support. I also see a fetus at that stage more like a bunch of cells.
And actually, even in the case of a broken condom, I think abortion should be allowed. Unfortunate happenings like that should NOT be punished by having the girl pregnant for 9 months and then having her life completely changed. GodSatan, I've heard some stories about teen pregnancies and about how hard it is to keep up with your study if you have to take care of a baby. Having your parents babysit the kid is a possibility, but that's something not everyone has. For some a pregnancy can mean they need to drop their education and they'll become unhappy, apart from that little baby that becomes their pride. But in the end, that pregnancy won over the plans you made for your life, and that should not be mandatory by making abortion illegal.

[lazor 22]

You shouldn't be having sex in the first place, unless your married.

[MP thrill rides]

Revolutionary War - 4,435 deaths

Civil War - 498,332 deaths

World War 1 - 116,788 deaths

World War 2 - 407,316 deaths

Korea - 25,604 deaths

Vietnam - 58,168 deaths

Abortion - 35,000,000 deaths (and counting)

[Jogumpie]

^^I believe that's made up by 40-year-old virgins who want to avenge their unfortunate ways of life.

^Let me make it even worse. This site says even 42 million per year, whereas your 35 million is since 1973. That HTML Bible is probably another of those stupid there-is-no-life-beyond-america sites.

[Britfag]

(1)- Abortion should be available to everyone, even if their religious views do not believe so or if they do not have the money to pay for the treatment.

(2)- Abortion is a humane solution to end an unwanted or life-threatening (teenage)pregnancy.

(1) - Definitely.. I don't see why money and religion should interfere with the availability of basic healthcare and things like Abortion.

(2) - Yeah.. It's pretty much the most humane way, aslong as the fetus isn't too old.

Revolutionary War - 4,435 deaths (8 years long)

Civil War - 498,332 deaths (4 years long)

World War 1 - 116,788 deaths (4 years long)

World War 2 - 407,316 deaths (6 years long)

Korea - 25,604 deaths (3 years [avoiding that there is still no peace treaty])

Vietnam - 58,168 deaths (18 years long)

Abortion - 35,000,000 deaths (and counting) (started nearly 5000 years ago)

Civil War - 124,583 Deaths per year.

WW1 - 29,197 Deaths per year

WW2 - 1,067,886 Deaths per year (Including the Holocaust.)

WW2 - 67,886 (Excluding the holocaust)

Korean War - 8,534 Deaths per year

Vietnam - 3,231 Deaths per year (Still not counting the people killed by Agent Orange)

Abortion - 7,000 Deaths per year.

Gotta love manipulated Data.

[Jogumpie]

Actually those 35 million are since 1973. Then again, I am sure those numbers posted by MP Thrill Rides are incorrect.
This source says that more than 56 million died in WW2. WW1 had almost 17 million deaths. Etc. etc., meaning that your post isn't correct.

Come to think of it, comparing abortion to war is insane.

[The KNex Weasel]

You shouldn't be having sex in the first place, unless your married.

Try telling people that when you get to college.

Actually those 35 million are since 1973. Then again, I am sure those numbers posted by MP Thrill Rides are incorrect.
This source says that more than 56 million died in WW2. WW1 had almost 17 million deaths. Etc. etc., meaning that your post isn't correct.

Come to think of it, comparing abortion to war is insane.

He was probably only counting American deaths, not the combined total of deaths of all nations that partook in those wars.

[Maxlaam]

You're doing a great job so far, but we are getting a bit off-topic, so let me ask you another couple of questions to take inconsideration.

You may answer the follow questions with yes/no but telling us why you think so may give better insights in your opinion.

Scenario 1.
A girl has been raped and became pregnant, she is frightened and is carrying a baby that isn't hers.

Is abortion a humane way out of this situation?

Scenario 2.
A teenage girl (between 14 and 20) has had unsafe sex, she's carrying the baby of her boyfriend. She didn't want this to happen and feels bad about what happened, to top that, her parents do not want to care for the baby as she is still in school. They say it's her responsibility, yet she knows that her life is going to turn upside down because of the child, she won't be able to finish school and get a proper education.

Is abortion an humane way out of this situation, (considering the problems it's going to cause for the girl, no future, no education, etc.)?

Scenario 3.

Same as above, except her boyfriend leaves her and does not want to care for the baby, she is all alone as the family feels embarrassed and doesn't want to talk about it.

Is abortion a humane way out of the situation?

Scenario 4. (Please answer with full sentences, as you can not answer this one with yes/no)

You and your boy/girl-friend sit out the pregnancy and eventually have a child, you put it up for adoption. What would you think of yourself afterwards? Would you blame yourself for being an irresponsible parent, knowing your kid will probably never know who his real parents are?



My view on abortion is the following:
Abortion is a good way out of a unwanted pregnancy, be it an accident or not. I want to be a responsible father and be there until my child becomes an adult. Therefore I would use abortion if it ever happens that my wife gets pregnant and we are not ready yet to take care of a child. I would rather wait out the time until I know I can care for the baby and give him/her a good life. My view is that it is more humane to give people a life worth living than having someone live a life that ends up being bad.