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[CCI]

Dude, why even bring up Arrow?

Another Intamin mess up? Hope not.

Speaking of Arrow. Why not an S&S 4D. lol :lolo

[Antinos]

^There's a reason why there are only two in the world. It's the same reason why one has had three sets of trains and the other is closed half the time.

[Old_Hag]

^^^I'm pretty sure Intamin won't make a 300 foot tall coaster that goes straight into a turn again. If it's an Intamin expect it to be more like SFNE Bizzarro or Expedition GeForce. I'd much rather have an Intamin over another B&M hyper that, while fun, doesn't push the envelope or deliver anything unique.

[pkiknex25]

^305 is just the latest. Shoot the Rapids, Thirteen (trimmed drop on a family coaster???), Maverick's heartline roll, plus more. Plus Intamin's heartlining in general has been pretty off lately, like they're heartling the chasis of the cars and not the riders.

[Coaster105]

^There's a reason why there are only two in the world. It's the same reason why one has had three sets of trains and the other is closed half the time.

Not that this has anything to do with the subject, but there actually is another S&S/arrow 4d coaster being built at China Dinosaur Park.

As for the coaster, I can only imagine it being a B&M Hyper coaster, and nothing more.

[Old_Hag]

If the tallest point is only 212 feet, It would have to drop all the way to the ground for it to have a similar drop to other modern B&M hypers, which is unusual (Dback, Behemoth, and Intimidator are all about 230 feet with around 215 foot drops that don't go all the way to the ground). It just seems a bit odd to me....

[tornado96]

Why can't Australia get A B&M Hyper or any B&M for that matter. I really want one.

[pkiknex25]

^^How on Earth is that unusual??? They don't just copy and paste the drop (or anything).

[Old_Hag]

I'm just saying that every recent B&M hyper has been around 230 feet tall with a 210-220 foot drop at a 74-75 degree angle, and, if this is infact a B&M hyper, I'd be surprised if its stats weren't somewhere in that area. I didn't mean to completely rule out one, as there is evidence pointing towards it.


Also, I can't see any difference between these two:

[fastman xc]

Perhaps due to the challenge of fitting it all in to the space they have this could be slightly...less orthodox...of a B&M hyper.

[lazor 22]

If they got an Intamin Hyper, that would kick unbelievable ass.

I like B&M Hypers better. Granted I've only rode 1 Intamin Hyper, I'm just not a fan of there T-Bar Trains. I really liked the trains on 305 though. I'm glad they went with OTSR's, there would have been no room to comfortably put a Lap Bar in.


^Like another Raging Bull type layout.

[Antinos]

I'm just saying that every recent B&M hyper has been around 230 feet tall with a 210-220 foot drop at a 74-75 degree angle, and, if this is infact a B&M hyper, I'd be surprised if its stats weren't somewhere in that area. I didn't mean to completely rule out one, as there is evidence pointing towards it.

Also, I can't see any difference between these two

That means absolutely nothing. Look at Goliath at La Ronde. It's only 170 feet high, yet it's still a mega coaster. Apollo's Chariot also has a 170 foot lift, yet Apollo has a 210 foot drop. On the other hand, Goliath at SFOG has a 200 foot lift, but only a 170 foot drop. Hollywood Dream in Japan is even shorter and has a drop over buildings. There are no patterns in the stats, and every ride is designed and calculated from scratch. It's not RCT or No Limits where you can save an element and plug it in.

Also, while Behemoth's drop and Diamondback's drop are very similar, they're off by a few feet. You aren't going to be able to tell, but if you blew them up on scale drawings, you would be able to see the differences.

Perhaps due to the challenge of fitting it all in to the space they have this could be slightly...less orthodox...of a B&M hyper.

That is one reason why I think it will be Intamin. B&M have a fairly traditional hypercoaster layout in mind. With Intamin, we have no idea what's up their sleeves. They could design a coaster more along the lines of a mega-lite.

By the way, the forces set upon the riders isn't the reason why 305 was neutered. The stress on the trains is the problem. A layout with the forces of 305 is possible, just not a good idea at 95 miles per hour.

I like B&M Hypers better. Granted I've only rode 1 Intamin Hyper, I'm just not a fan of there T-Bar Trains. I really liked the trains on 305 though. I'm glad they went with OTSR's, there would have been no room to comfortably put a Lap Bar in.


^Like another Raging Bull type layout.

The only reason Intamin switched over to the horse collars is due to the magnetic brakes. The horse collars are needed due to the nature of eddy currents in the brakes. The concept is easy: the higher the speed, the quicker the deceleration. The slower the speed, the slower the train will slow down. The same principle is also why magnetic brakes can't fully stop a train. I'll take six coasters that I have been on to paint a clearer picture. Superman: Ride of Steel is a fast coaster and has magnetic brakes, but the train has slowed down quite a bit and is only traveling at probably around 35 miles per hour, so the deceleration isn't as intense. Millennium Force is a bit of a similar story. The ride is still traveling around 60 mph down the final straightaway, but the brake run is higher than that stretch. The train also hits the brakes while it is still exiting the overbanked turn, so it hasn't built up as much speed as it had, so the stop isn't as intense. Top Thrill Dragster on the other hand is extremely fast, and when you hit the brakes, you're thrown forward with the t-bar. This was fixed on Kingda Ka. When Ka hit's the brakes, the horse collars catch your forward momentum. While they make the majority of the ride uncomfortable, the brakes are a comfortable stop because you aren't thrown forward. It's a similar story with Storm Runner and Maverick. It's quite noticeable when you are thrown into your restraint, but the stop is comfortable because you're not being pulled forward by your inertia.

Also, it may not seem like it because it has a twister layout, but Raging Bull is a MASSIVE coaster.

[2015ASM]

I wud really like a B&M hyper because they usually have alot more airtime, and i feel those are the best type of rollercoasters, even though they are usually alittle more traditional and less repetitive!!

[fastman xc]

guess what kiddies? I was at Hersheypark last month and this is what I found, over by the tilt-a-whirl near the Comet:









allegedly the area marked off in the final two photos could be the station of said coaster?

[fastman xc]

*bump*

...no comments on the survey marks?

[Knexrule11]

That spray paint is a wierd shade of white;)

[Spitfire]

Kind of has a sloppy bloom to it. I think Hersheypark could do better.

[fastman xc]

True, the surveyor seem to have made quite a few mis-measurements

[Knexrule11]

Whats this...... (posted by Hershey Parks Facebook) 3 men try to solve riddle of Hersheypark's new ride | PennLive.com

[Jogumpie]